Born to Run, Donkeys & Community – Christopher Mcdougall

Today Molly is extra excited because Christopher Mcdougall is on the show! He is the author of Born to Run and Natural Born Heroes, two amazing books you need to read as a consummate athlete!  We talk about all things outdoors, community, sport, and writing.


If you enjoy the show, please consider supporting it through … there are bonus episodes and bonus goodies if you do, your donation helps fuel better audio gear, more guests, and higher quality episodes.
Christopher McDougall
Want to re-energize- Unplug, put airplane mode on, and immerse in nature's finest.

Get in Touch With Your Hosts

Follow @peterglassford or visit his coaching website at
Have a question, comment, complaint or suggestion for a guest?


Let’s start with your twitter bio: Author of BORN TO RUN and NATURAL BORN HEROES. Currently working on a new project with a donkey named Flower. Any spoilers on what the new book is going to be about? (

When you wrote Born To Run, what were you hoping the impact would be? What do you think made it hook people attention compared to a lot of books in the same genre?

So many people took up ultra running and swapped out to barefoot shoes (ahem Molly did both basically immediately)… How did that feel? (Did it seem like people missed the overall message?)

In both books, what was the initial *grab* for you—why those primary stories?

Of everyone you interviewed in both books, who are the two or three that stand out the most & why?

Anyone you wish you’d gotten to add in? Anyone you wish you left out?

Quickly for my nerdy edification: what does the general process look like for your book writing?

Going back to you—were you an athletic kid? What’s been your athletic life trajectory?

Which book got you in better shape?

What practices from either book do you still keep up?

What does training look like now?

What about eating? In BTR, the diets that sort of became noteworthy were largely vegan, and then in NBR, we got into foraging and being fat-adapted. Where are you now?

MINDFUL RUNNING with Mackenzie Havey

Mackenzie Havey joins us today. She is the author of the new book MINDFUL RUNNING and a long-time contributor to a variety of outlets, including Runner’s World, ESPN, The Atlantic, Outside Online, Triathlete, and others. I hold a graduate degree in sports psychology and am a USA Track and Field-certified coach and adjunct instructor for running courses at the University of Minnesota. Also, a 14-time marathoner, Ironman, and mom.
mackenzie havey
Check out the Show Notes at
Support the Podcast via Wide Angle Podium ->

The Show is sponsored by:HEALTH IQ 

Want to support the show and other awesome podcasts? Please Check out for show info, other WAP podcasts and to become a Donating Member (free bonuses!) Visit W.A.P.

Download on Itunes (subscribe & leave a review Please!) 

Download Android / Stream / Listen online

Download and view on Wide-Angle-Podium Site

Download Mp3


Twitter: @mackenziehavey | Facebook: Mackenzie L. Havey (author site) | Instagram @mackenziehavey

Mackenzie’s Website

  1. Your background in running and writing
  2. I always get ‘how do I get your job’ questions, so I’d love to get your answer to that since we’re pretty similar!
  3. What made you choose to write Mindful Running?
  4. Who is this book for? What will someone get out of reading it?
  5. What is Mindful Running, exactly?
  6. You divide into 3 steps, focus, fathom and flow: can we run through these and dig into each a bit?
  7. I LOVE the rules of engagement (p47): can we run through them?
  8. How can someone start getting into it, without adding stress to runs?
  9. How can you use it from a racing perspective?
  10. Best apps/books/etc. for finding out more on mindfulness?